Dear Fabián, why don’t you play “Blog Police” now and forever?
- July 22nd, 2008
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Dear Fabián,
why don’t you play blog police, and remove via bzr branch, bzr push planet.conf all feeds you dislike and you feel not ok with it?
Even those blogs, where you don’t have a clue which is post and which is blog comment? (As seen on the second blog article you critizised,which is here, please read this, and see how you are framing people…[Jorge Bernal on Shop in Amazon from your iPhone with iBuy]).
Ah yes, you think that most people know about "WTF" "STFU" "WTH" "FU" "SU" and all those nasty abbreviations from the evil internet?
They don’t and most people are using those abbreviation to not say those "evil words" (well, tbh, most people will know those words before they go to school, really, even if you pretend they don’t)
And again, no CoC will remove my right and my will to say "WTF is going on here". That’s what I really said yesterday, when someone pointed me to your agenda item to the next community council meeting.
Ah well, yes, you reminded me to point you again to the CoC, too:
"
Be respectful. The Ubuntu community and its members treat one another with respect. Everyone can make a valuable contribution to Ubuntu. We may not always agree, but disagreement is no excuse for poor behaviour and poor manners. We might all experience some frustration now and then, but we cannot allow that frustration to turn into a personal attack. It’s important to remember that a community where people feel uncomfortable or threatened is not a productive one. We expect members of the Ubuntu community to be respectful when dealing with other contributors as well as with people outside the Ubuntu project, and with users of Ubuntu.
"
As I’m not dealing with "other people here" but express my feeling and my mood to a special topic, even this doesn’t have anything to do with the CoC…
Fabián, you should really get a life…and get more knowledge…and no, I really don’t care who you are or what you are doing.
But thx again for bringing this up again…ah btw..you wrote on the /Talk page: "I contacted both members via IRC and via their blogs comments, my attemps to discuss this were either ignored or dismissed."
You did contacted me and Jorge via blog comment, you tried to "frame" Koke because of someone commenting on his blog with "STFU"…you wrote something really stupid on my comment page, I answered you, you never came back..you never contacted me personally via IRC…so you are framing, lieing and spreading wrong accusations.
I really wonder why you don’t have the guts to just remove the feeds from planet.ubuntu.com you dislike? I really do.
But again, I’m happy to meet you at the Community Council, and discuss this directly in front of a big audience…and if this means, Ubuntu will lose contributors and good people, you can be happy to destroy a working community, but this is what you want, right? You stated this already in your article. I hope you really don’t treat your customers in Montreal like that.
But, what you really want is another policy to planet.ubuntu.com, if you want that, write it…if you want to p*ss people off from Ubuntu, you can go along with your style.
Honestly (without any monkey behaviour),
Stephan
PS: Thanks for making my start of the day really shitty..(oops I did it again)
is crap. These are totally illegible, even for real humans. I just tried 7 times to get it right. Please try another module. I know Drupal has tons of them available. LinuxChix has one that asks questions.
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While I might have preferred you put that a gentler way, I think bringing a CoC complaint against you is ridiculous. If I don’t make it to the next CC meeting, please feel free to quote me on this in the meeting.
I may have to get a public blog ….
I agree. In slightly more appropriate terms, this is ri-goddamned-diculous. I’ll make sure to write something more constructive for the CC to read though.
Quote fully Scottk`s comment, perhaps Fabian should get a life, him posts are really ridiculous.
How many blog posts have you been called out on? How many times have you very vocally not apologized for offending people? How many times have you said you were done with the Ubuntu community because of complaints about your posts? The first time you put an offensive post on the planet could’ve been an accident, and was attributed to English not being your primary language. With each subsequent incident, however, I’m less and less willing to buy that excuse.
As I’m not dealing with “other people here” but express my feeling and my mood to a special topic, even this doesn’t have anything to do with the CoC…
For the final time:
If your neighbor covered his house with racial epithets and swastikas, would you argue that you don’t have a right to be offended by it? It’s his property, but he chose to put something offensive in very public view. You are indeed completely free to write whatever you want on your blog. When you choose to post it on the planet, you’re expected to show some decorum.
Maybe Fabian is indeed more sensitive about your blog posts than should be expected. Given your past colorful planet posts, I wouldn’t blame him.
Also, your captcha is awful.
please read first, then think, read again, then post.
WTF is nothing…if I would have written "what the fuck" then I could agree with fabian or you…but that’s not the fact.
If you as semi-pro see "WTF" and you are so qualified to know what "WTF" means, fine, but it’s your mind, what makes this abbreviation a bad one.
My friends are asking me most of the time, "Dude, what does that mean?" because they are not into this "geek" business.
If you and Fabian can’t make a divergence between "WTF" and "what the fuck" it’s your business not mines or the CoCs or the CCs.
Btw, it’s my blog. and on my blog I write and let write what I think it’s ok. If you don’t like it, move along..that’s what I do, when someone means to smear whatever he likes on his house..I just move a long…or I answer in an appropriate manner.
And BTW…nobody complained, but him…and I’m not angry because he accuses me, I’m angry about his attitude towards other contributors, workers and enthusiastic people working in a functional community.
If your neighbor covered his house with racial epithets and swastikas, would you argue that you don’t have a right to be offended by it?
If shermann’s neighbor displayed a single swastika on his house, that person would be arrested and prosecuted as that form of speech is illegal.
Thanks for summarizing this, the level of sensitivity is getting absurd. While I might not agree with all of your past posts, I can appreciate an open dialog about anything.
Please someone kill me with these religious nuts in Ubuntu. Is there anytime we can go without hearing stupid complaints? The answer is no. This isn’t a COMMUNITY project. That’s a load of bullocks. All the time we are seeing the CoC used to call someone on saying a word…when the CoC applies to HOW you talk to them about it..NOT what they feckin said.
These folks push so many people away it is disgusting. Go spend some time recording their channels. It’s really stupid.
Perhaps you are in the right here, and perhaps you are not.
“Fabián, you should really get a life…and get more knowledge…and no, I really don’t care who you are or what you are doing.
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But again, I’m happy to meet you at the Community Council, and discuss this directly in front of a big audience…and if this means, Ubuntu will lose contributors and good people, you can be happy to destroy a working community, but this is what you want, right? You stated this already in your article. I hope you really don’t treat your customers in Montreal like that.”
I really think you are more of the aggressor with these statements than he has been in the past. If you really feel this way about him then you should recognize that stooping down to his level is not a very effective way of resolving the problem. Use rational and reasoning to make your point, not attacks and threats. If you are right, then the overwhelming majority of good hearted people here on the planet will back you up as long you stay good hearted.
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I really think you are more of the aggressor with these statements than he has been in the past. If you really feel this way about him then you should recognize that stooping down to his level is not a very effective way of resolving the problem. Use rational and reasoning to make your point, not attacks and threats. If you are right, then the overwhelming majority of good hearted people here on the planet will back you up as long you stay good hearted.
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Dude, this is an ongoing thing. Every few weeks or months, some of the elite have to tell us like little children, what we are and are not allowed to say. It’s ridiculous. So if we’re getting tired of it, don’t be surprised. Stephan’s at the forefront of this because he is one of the few willing to stand up and not take their bs.
The entire affair of telling us that we did wrong, and holding meetings about it, ends up taking longer, and causing more stress than any of the original comments which they claim are so detrimental. Please, censorship deserves its place in history, leave it there.
Okay, for the sake of fairness I am posting my response to Fabian’s post here:
Seriously dude? Are you seriously trying to say that he cant write whatever he wants to on his blog? Geez. Thats pretty (a) stupid and (b) stupid. If you don’t like what he writes, then don’t read it. Pure and simple.
I am a Christian. I go to church every week, don’t cuss, avoid porn, etc. I don’t see any problem in what he writes insofar because, quite frankly, I am not his parent/boss/significant other. If I don’t like what he writes, I move on. Simple as that. Who appointed you to be the moral compass of the community? He wrote something that was actually right on the money. You did what many people in my faith do wrong, you decided that what he writes is your business. You cannot have free expression without hearing something you might not like. Thats the world that we live in man. Simple as that. I live my life my way, you live your life your way, and he will live his life his way. In the end, its not up to you, me, or anyone else to tell him what he can or cannot do. It is as simple as that.
To be honest, if you don’t like what he writes then you should move on. Fork Ubuntu and make your own community based around the “no cussing” no unapproved speech mindset and soon you will realize that your community will be very small.
I don’t want to start a flame war or anything like that. I just think that your attempt to censor him is misguided and wrong. You are the one being disruptive to the community. Yes, some people do find cursing offensive. I find it offensive to me. However, I only control what I SAY and no one else. Its ridiclous and quite honestly arrogant to expect that everyone adheres to your morals. What if mine were to say nothing negative about Ubuntu? Or Linux? What if I tried to impose that on you? How would you feel then? The reason the CoC works is because, it doesn’t set a certain ruleset on people other than “play nice”. Now, if your concept of play only includes sliding down the slide does that mean that the rest of the playground (Swingsets, Jungle-gyms, etc) is torn up because you don’t like swinging on the swings? It would be ridiculous to expect someone to only slide down the slide because that is what you find as acceptable.
What you really want is everyone to be just like you. Well, if everyone was like you then the whole concept of community flies out the window. After all, its the mix of different people that makes Ubuntu what it is. Its a creative group of people, from different walks of life, collaborating to make one heck of an operating system.
Police yourself. Be an example to others. Play nice. Don’t expect everyone to be you.
If they ask
^^
There’s just something jarringly ironic about the government censoring speech to ostensibly combat fascism…